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		<title>Comment on Work in progress by Ottmueller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ottmueller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello!

Thank you.

&gt; provide me captcha
Probably, there never will be a CAPTCHA code, as (regularly) we have issues with it myself. Also, I have a stylish (literate programming!!) Robot.txt-file, written in ... , of course.

Rainer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>&gt; provide me captcha<br />
Probably, there never will be a CAPTCHA code, as (regularly) we have issues with it myself. Also, I have a stylish (literate programming!!) Robot.txt-file, written in &#8230; , of course.</p>
<p>Rainer</p>
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		<title>Comment on Re: Petri nets vs programming languages (longish) by Martin Sulzmann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Sulzmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 08:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

this must be Claus, right?

Interesting post. I totally agree that there are strong connections between CHR and petri-nets which have so far been largely ignored. In my opinion and experience, CHR are the cleaner more concise formalism to specify complex, concurrent systems thanks to simpagation (simplification+propagation) and a general form of guards. As far as I know, guarded transitions have only been added to petri-nets later.

Yes, I&#039;m a programmer not a modeler :)
On top of that, I&#039;m a CHR guy but I&#039;m open to petri-nets and any works which come out of this area.

So why are petri-nets so popular?
Well, many users, engineers in particular, prefer to draw and read &#039;pictures&#039; rather then writing programs (e.g. take the embedded systems area in which I&#039;m currently working in as an example). That might explain why petri-nets have grown that large and why the CHR community is still relatively small.

Modeling versus programming: I can&#039;t see a difference either. Models shall be executable, so there you have your programming. 

What can modelers (petri-nets) learn from programmers (CHR and the like) and vice versa?
As you have already indicated, there are many petri-nets application, concepts and methods which are just waiting to be transferred to the language (CHR) setting. On the other hand, programmers (language researchers) have a very good grasp of formal semantics, static analysis (-&gt; type systems) and language concepts (polymorphism). 

As a prominent example where modelers and programmers cooperate, take SCADE which is based on LUSTRE.

Cheers,
    Martin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>this must be Claus, right?</p>
<p>Interesting post. I totally agree that there are strong connections between CHR and petri-nets which have so far been largely ignored. In my opinion and experience, CHR are the cleaner more concise formalism to specify complex, concurrent systems thanks to simpagation (simplification+propagation) and a general form of guards. As far as I know, guarded transitions have only been added to petri-nets later.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a programmer not a modeler <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
On top of that, I&#8217;m a CHR guy but I&#8217;m open to petri-nets and any works which come out of this area.</p>
<p>So why are petri-nets so popular?<br />
Well, many users, engineers in particular, prefer to draw and read &#8216;pictures&#8217; rather then writing programs (e.g. take the embedded systems area in which I&#8217;m currently working in as an example). That might explain why petri-nets have grown that large and why the CHR community is still relatively small.</p>
<p>Modeling versus programming: I can&#8217;t see a difference either. Models shall be executable, so there you have your programming. </p>
<p>What can modelers (petri-nets) learn from programmers (CHR and the like) and vice versa?<br />
As you have already indicated, there are many petri-nets application, concepts and methods which are just waiting to be transferred to the language (CHR) setting. On the other hand, programmers (language researchers) have a very good grasp of formal semantics, static analysis (-&gt; type systems) and language concepts (polymorphism). </p>
<p>As a prominent example where modelers and programmers cooperate, take SCADE which is based on LUSTRE.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
    Martin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Legal notice by efidetum</title>
		<link>http://usrdoc.com/work-in-progress/legal-notice/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[efidetum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 15:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acronymfinder.com/I-Am-Not-A-Lawyer-(IANAL).html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IANAL&lt;/a&gt;, this is post-processed &lt;a href=&quot;http://ec.europa.eu/geninfo/legal_notices_en.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;information&lt;/a&gt;. To what it is worth, for downloaded material, I also grant fair use (FULL RESOLUTION!!) to members of the staff of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddo&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Caddo&lt;/a&gt; high school in the article about &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Gottlieb_Klopstock&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kloppstock&lt;/a&gt; provided that their servers are heated to a temperature of exactly a lot of degrees &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farenheit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Farenheit&lt;/a&gt; and are located in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_(disambiguation)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;China&lt;/a&gt;,
(At least in this comment YAESP is used for recovery.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.acronymfinder.com/I-Am-Not-A-Lawyer-(IANAL).html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">IANAL</a>, this is post-processed <a href="http://ec.europa.eu/geninfo/legal_notices_en.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">information</a>. To what it is worth, for downloaded material, I also grant fair use (FULL RESOLUTION!!) to members of the staff of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddo" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Caddo</a> high school in the article about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Gottlieb_Klopstock" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kloppstock</a> provided that their servers are heated to a temperature of exactly a lot of degrees <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farenheit" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Farenheit</a> and are located in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_(disambiguation)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">China</a>,<br />
(At least in this comment YAESP is used for recovery.)</p>
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